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“Well, I've already have one go at exposing this garbage but it seems as though a couple of people here are willing to argue the point that there are redeeming qualities in this hideously deceptive and downright bloody awful dog of a sales letter.”

If you want to punish yourself by reading any more about this woeful SDP thing (er... make that STD) then here is the link at the Warrior Forum:

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Dan Thompson’s blog:

Omar Martin’s blog:

Julie McElroy’s blog:

Mark Thompson’s blog:

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It’s probably going to take a legal body like the FTC to SMASH everybody with a sledgehammer and that will destroy Internet marketing for EVERYBODY – thanks to the schemers, scammers and deceivers who I call shape-shifters, vampires and zombies.

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29 Responses to Modafinil For Sale

  1. Collette Jones

    Hi Gary

    Well said!

    It’s such a shame that some internet marketers have stooped so low that they are willing to lose the respect of their subscribers in their efforts to eke out every last dollar by promoting these types of products.

    We have all heard that if you want to succeed online “the money is in the list”. Well, throughout 2010 I have unsubscribed from so many of these lists because of the deceptive tactics and outrageous claims I was being subjected to.

    But this can benefit the honest marketers who I know ARE still out there…

    As my inbox is no longer being bombarded with endless offers by these marketers, the lists that I have remained on (such as yours :)) now get my full attention, so when they recommend a new product, I will still consider it.

    I think this quote says it all…

    “The most important persuasion tool you have in your entire arsenal is integrity.” ~ Zig Ziglar

    Talk soon


  2. Gary

    @ Collette – THAT was an excellent quote. Very apt. Thanks for sharing it.


  3. John Fuller

    Hi Collette and Gary,

    Liked your comments!

    I also find myself spending far too much time having to wade through unwanted promotions that have no value to me whatsoever. Like you I unsubscribe to many lists and much unwanted material.

    Last week even three of my trusted sources who I have purchased from in the past, were promoting another Guru’s material which in turn required the usual opt in.

    Three trusted Gurus all trying to promote the same fourth Guru’s material and the cycle of never ending emails continues.

    All the best

  4. Gary

    @ John – thanks. It’s OK if they are promoting something of value but… if it’s dog poop – and a lot of it certainly IS – then you just feel so betrayed. I made a decision right from the start that I would NEVER abandon my values. And ever since I started this blog in November 2008 I don’t believe I have done that.

    This blog is a DECEPTION FREE ZONE where I just give info straight up – no gilding the lily here and DEFINITELY NO shady BS.


  5. Paul Klein


    Well said, and well done.

    I’ve always appreciated your helpful posts and information.

    It truly has been a long haul of crap being slung by unscrupulous money thieves. I agree that perhaps it will be the heavy FTC hammer that smashes this trash. Thus the rest of us will have to work around the debris.

    Keep up your great work!

    Best always,

  6. James Brown

    Hi Gary,

    First and foremost, I’m a copywriter. It’s very sad to see the copywriters who agree to write the type of sales letters that promote this products. It’s also really sad to see some really well respected IM’s using copy and paste emails to sell this crap to their lists.
    I sent a few of them emails and told them point blank, stop selling junk and stop using the same email that 9 other IM’s have just sent out. Some of these boneheads, do not realize or care, that many people subscribe to a dozen or more lists due to the freebies.

    I think you will see a change in 2011. You are the third person to tell exactly how you feel about the scams and crap being peddled. Because of good guys like you, eventually all the b.s. artists like Jani G will have to leave the internet marketing arena.


  7. yuichi

    Yes, there are thieves wherever you go. Internet marketing is no exception. We’d better recognize the tide as thieves finally get equipped with Online marketing know-how.

    It is like Yakuza has got equipped with the financial scheme during 90es right after the bubble. I saw it and you’ll see same thing in English world.

    Would mafia start enough to prepare for the viral virtual world to fish cash for the years to come? It would be. And the irony can be that they may come up pretty nice products. After all they have plenty of money to invest, right?

  8. James Z

    Nice article Gary,

    As someone who gets hundreds of IM pitches each week, I get tempted by the push button software claims but the Stripped Down Profits one seemed fishy to me.

    The girl named “Hayley” did not seem to be IM savvy and there was not even a hint of evidence that she could prove her story. I am not surprised that it was all made up but I was surprised that it had such high gravity on Clickbank, meaning many people got scammed on this one.

    Is it possible that a bunch of guys (the insiders)_ are creating new pages each week and swapping the creator story and traffic software while following the same sales page template? Every page looks similar and when sales dry up, they just make up a new story and new website.

    Why are the top marketers allowing this scammy behavior to go on? Maybe we need to create a self policing body to protect the public.

  9. Gail

    I received several emails promoting Stripped Down Profits. One of them said this:

    “I don’t usually say this, but this is some REALLY clever marketing…

    (promotion link deleted)

    Go there, and you’ll see three things…

    1) An interesting backstory which helps the audience to trust the seller and feel “part of the experience”

    2) A great offer to match the audience’s goals (usually to make a ton of money fast, with very little work)

    3) An attractive young lady to keep the audience’s attention (maybe too much)…

    And although there have been some mixed reviews about the product itself…

    … The seller of this product has got their marketing strategy dead on.”

    I thought to myself “This is outrageous. Is this where IM is headed? I’ve had enough!”

    I then sent each of those marketers an email. To the guy above, I said

    “I totally disagree with you,

    I saw this a couple of days ago. OK, so it’s “clever” but it’s totally bad marketing. It’s preying on people with lies, lies, lies.

    I checked out who owned the site and it’s a guy (name withheld) who also runs a hosting company.

    The FTC would see this as borderline false advertising.
    One button? Pull the other leg!

    I wouldn’t encourage this kind of marketing although I’m sure it will do very well, sucking in a lot of people who probably won’t admit to buying it.

    Anyone who emails me promoting this garbage will lose me from their list.

    Sorry mate.”

    I then unsubscrtibed to all their lists. I hope that anyone else who got this crap will do the same. Unless we all make a stand against this garbage, it will continue to thrive.

    I also got another similar promotionn but instead of the sexual undertones it was based on how some guy stole a CD (containing real secrets to making easy money) from a guru in a bar at a seminar and had it analysed and recreated by a programmer. It was obviously a tall story.

    My intention is to create a site debunking all this stuff. NOW is the time for all decent marketers to revolt and stir up the FTC. What the hell are the FTC doing about this sh#t? Apparently not much.

    Let’s have an online PROTEST “MARCH”!

  10. Chuck Bartok

    Thank you again for your candor.
    I was appalled at the degree of deception when I came on-line 6 years ago and it seemed to get worse.
    I believe that the speed of Social media may nip more of these shady deals in the bud before to many are hood-winked.
    But as always the Buyer need to exercise due diligence and spend time in research…
    Which is so much easier on-line.

    Keep up the good work, I appreciate you and enjoy sending others your way

  11. Gary

    @ Paul – Thanks for saying that. I try very hard to give value to others.

    @ James B – obviously you are a REAL copywriter and not a shape-shifter who turns into an IM vampire or zombie at the smell of money. The guy who wrote that SDP “sales page” (and I KNOW who it is) should hang his head in SHAME. I agree, what is it with these guys? All they do is take TERRIBLE “swipes” then just copy and paste them. That, in itself, shows how bloody lazy and corrupt they are – they don’t even craft their own email or personalize it in ANY way. They just use as is. And I gotta say – I saw all the subject lines and text for the SDP swipes and they were ALL abominable. NONE of them were sincere. NONE! And…

    … regarding that person you name above – I have seen some of his junk. It’s atrocious.

    @ Yuichi – I really don’t think too many of these guys have ANY talent at all. They just plagiarize. It’s copy, copy, copy. For most of them that is all they can do. They are, for the most part, completely talentless.

    @ James Z – thanks mate. That SDP site was a lie from start to finish. I think you are correct. The IM vampires and zombies are just using the same bullsh*t over and over again and changing the cover. Just wait till I mass release my zombie and vampire reports. I’m close to doing that. In fact, I might just add a couple of banners below to foreshadow what I have coming up. I’ve just had it up to the eyeballs with these types and it’s way past time that we arm ourselves with stakes and just flush them out of IM. I’ll supply the stakes for everyone – I’m just sharpening the points now.

    @ Gail – Interesting backstory? LOL! It was just a MASSIVE fabricated lie. Attractive young lady? I’m afraid when I see things like the way she was portraying herself the ugliness of it just turns me off. I’m sure the FTC would see this as a complete fraud. Maybe somebody from the FTC should go and read the OUTRAGE over at the Warrior Forum and on so many blogs that have joined in the collective shout to consign this rotten site to where it belongs – in the bin. In fact, Clickbank dumped it. How it was ever approved in the first place is a disgrace in itself. BTW, I think the protest march is happening.

    @ Chuck – my pleasure. I hate this sort of rubbish. It just gives the entire industry halitosis (rotten bad breath for those who may not know the technical term). Social marketing is indeed a weapon against this sort of thing. Word spreads fast across the Internet now. Hence, my constant catch-cry that REPUTATION and INTEGRITY is the most valuable asset you have. Fortunately, these IM vampires and zombies are destroying theirs every time they try to scam people.

    Thankyou all for your support.


  12. Gary

    Here’s one of the stakes:

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  13. Tony Clingan

    Hi Gary

    This carries a lot of weight when somebody like you says it, the market has become full of this kind of junk and it is damaging everybody because people are becoming more cynical about products in general

    The lies have just become bigger and if you break down most of these products they just use everyday methods anyway, the sort of thing that produces short term traffic spikes, they certainly in the main don’t have any new ideas and one I saw recently was using an idea that would get you into a lot of trouble if you also have genuine sites

    I have said this for a while but Clickbank are as much to blame because they keep allowing the same group to basically take the money and run and they are just joining in the party and riding on their coat tails

    Thanks for sharing Tony

  14. Peter Davies

    Hi Garry

    Great post as ever – you said what needed to be said.

    I saw this and also a review pulling the whole thing apart. I have said time and time again that people should only purchase products that fit into their overall plan as the ‘shiny object’ syndrome is never going to make anyone rich.

    Another problem I have seen which goes to the root of this is the many ‘coaches’ out there often encounrage people to take two or three products and fuse them together thus not really coming up with anything original that solves a problem that hasn’t already been solved.

    A thousand or so $ for a clever copywriter who puts a lot of effort into telling a crappy story and hitting the right buttons without actually telling you what the product is and your away.

    It needs to stop and Clickbank need to start vetting products more thoroughly.

    Most of my Marketing is now going to be reviews outside the IM niche – I intend building a new IM Review Site and only promoting anything once I have seen it and written an article about it. That means making a lot less $ but who cares?

    Id rather make a modest amount and understand what is being promoted than pimp all sorts of crap and have people hate me.

  15. Gary

    @ Tony – thanks for respecting my stance like that. A couple of months ago I thought for a while that maybe I should just join the 100’s – make that 1,000’s – of people in the various Skype channels – who seem to think nothing of raping and pillaging others. It seemed to be the way to get ahead. Then, after I slapped myself, my conscience screamed NO! That is not the person I have ever been or EVER want to be. If I cannot make a buck honestly and decently then… I’d rather starve. TRULY. I will NOT prostitute my principles for anything. My honor will not allow me to stoop to those sh*tty levels.

    Yes, CTR’s are way down, people are definitely more cynical and so mistrusting now. It’s getting harder and harder to make honest sales. I’m not the only one to say that. But WHO can blame the skeptics?

    I now get so many abusive emails. Maybe I just have a lot of scammers on my list that hate my stance against all that they stand for. Some even call me a scammer and I have NEVER scammed anybody in my entire life. EVER. And I would ABSOLUTELY defy ANYBODY to have the OO’s to come out publicly and give even ONE instance where I have done that.

    CHALLENGE – if ANYBODY out there thinks they have ANY evidence to the contrary then BRING IT ON. Put your OO’s on the line. Do it here in a public shooting match.

    That’s how bad things have now become – ie when decent people who only want to help others get rounded up with all the scumbags and labelled accordingly. The vampires and zombies and their evil shape-shifting copywriters have f*ck*d everybody over so many times. Now, nobody believes anyone or anything. It’s disgusting.

    I agree that CB holds a lot of accountability for what they have allowed. I was genuinely SHOCKED that they permitted this HIDEOUSLY ROTTEN SDP site to operate using their platform. Last year they also allowed that IDIOTIC 16 year old girl site too – and there have been so many other examples.

    On the other hand, when I wanted to put up a simple sales page with a very honest product they made me apply twice because I had some miniscule wording that they said the FTC would “frown upon.” I said something like – “you should easily be able to make your money back by purchasing this” and they DEMANDED that I change the wording. Then…

    … EFF ME! They allow this SDP GARBAGE through. I was so dismayed and appalled by that. Clearly…

    DOUBLE STANDARDS in the EXTREME! And it took 184 really strongly negative posts on the Warrior Forum and a tirade of abuse on so many blogs for CB to ping them for TOS abuse. I REALLY do NOT get that! I can only surmise that CB will allow almost anything if there is a big enough commission payout – and THAT is very, very sad. In fact, it is appalling.

    So there – Tony – you revved me up all over again – a rant within a rant.


  16. Colin

    Absolutely spot on…Great post

  17. Gary

    @ Colin. Glad you liked it. It actually pained me somewhat to write it. I much prefer to write about positive things.


  18. Bill (LoneWolf) Nickerson

    Gary, you must have watched a lot of B movies as a kid 8=) I like the shape shifter name.

    I’ve seen you and now others talk about getting the FTC involved. Well, I doubt that it would stop these guys. The anti-spam doesn’t stop them from sending spam. In fact, spam has gotten worse (and more creative).

    The only thing that will stop the vampires is for people to stop buying their crap. Completely stop. The same is true for email spam, blog/forum spam, telemarketing, scam artists, etc.

    The best things we can do are to be vigilant ourselves, educate as many people as we can and stand tall on our integrity.

  19. Mary Coon

    Gary and the others who have commented as well,

    Thank you all for standing up and being counted. I have been screaming things like this for some time now and it is encouraging to know that I am no longer alone.

    There are comments above from all stating that getting the FTC involved is the way to go. I have found that we would be cutting our own throats as honest marketers because we are then talking government (who is more shady than that?). What we would do is bring the wrath of the FTC down on the heads of the easiest targets (the honest marketer) so that lazy government officers could fill quotas. It would become easier for them to seek out a (new?) reason to target someone willing to stand up and be counted than to seek out the ones lurking in the dark. Hell, maybe the lurkers could then just add a graft payment to the mix to keep their Sh*t allowed while honest marketers are run in fear.

    As you can see, this is not necessarily the way to go.

    There is something that can be done and it is gradually starting to happen. What we MUST do for the sake of the IM world is stand and be counted (there is strength in numbers), mass unsubs (will help some), STOP promoting their avenue (Clickbank – reason stated below) until the offending warehousing has been taken into accountability, start naming names of the offenders, make the public aware of those within the cartel and other blatant lies, and be willing to remain honest while cleaning up our piece of the world.

    If we will not stand to clean our piece of the world, how can we expect others to clean theirs. I personally have grandchildren that are not within my sight to watch out and care for. Would I want my legacy to my own family to be so tainted that they are at risk? Hell, No!

    By sitting on our laurels and not uniting against the purveyors of this trash we are silently giving our own backing to it. The time is no longer “Now” it is long past and should be remembered as “The time is immediately”.

    As for that blatant lie product, I wonder if Haley even really exists. There are marketers that are so unscrupulous that they have now started using many aliases to avoid being caught.

    I said I would give my reasons for a total ban on CB until they clean up their act. The proof for this reason is very easily found. Go to the CB marketplace e-marketing section. Choose to list the choices by gravity (which we are told is what determines if they are top sellers – bogus in every form, more in a minute on that also). Notice when you do this that the first 10 products listed (all very high gravity) all contain words like: fast, free, sniper, and there are more than these 10. We already know there are not one-button solutions to marketing, no free rides, no fast way to drive “real” traffic (since that is up to the minds of the rest of the world and not up to us), and so much more.

    Now for words such as sniper, pirate, crusher — fellas watch your OOs and everyone watch your young daughters while chaining your vault to your inner thighs for security purposes.

    Most of these products are from the critical “mass” cartel of liars and cheats. Most are worthless rehashes that give no truth or value. Now for the final proof of CB gravity. We are led to believe that it means that there have been xxx number of specific successful sales in a given time period. We are sometimes even given the piece of the truth that states the number represents each marketer only one time. Truth of the matter is that it represents each marketer (once) who has had one or more successful sales within that week. Nothing wrong with that in its appearance but not reliable to gauge whether or not to sell the products as an affiliate. The corruption lays in different directions here and I can give a few reasons why I choose not to promote anything on CB until the trash is removed.

    1. CB makes money for each product submitted to them for affiliate promotion and a commission from every sale. Shall we say the money remains at the top, fellas? Sounds like MLM to me. Does the Stripped Down Profits debauchery suggest possible graft or extortion tactics being used within or on CB to allow such irregular products when all products are supposed to “meet their standards”? Hmmm….. Double standards as you so clearly stated, Gary….

    2. The numbers game — one successful sale per marketer. Sounds great and innocent right? Let’s examine this more closely shall we…

    Mastermind meeting of 2 in the cartel (fictitious conversation but very possible):

    X: I have a just paid someone to create a worthless product copy and made a flashy new cover and hyped up name that I want to launch.

    Y: Well, you are a member of the cartel and right now we are promoting “Z’s” product and next month we are slated to do “B’s” and “L’s” is the following month. That will work out great because we will have three months to super-hype the pitch for this rag. Will let the rest of the group know when I get home.

    X: Gee, that’s great. Pass that joint. Where’s the damn waitress with the beers. Just a couple more things. My Mazza is out of town for the summer with its rightful owner and the Lambo has been impounded for DUI, what am I gonna use for the launch?

    Y: Okay, honey that’s enough of the lap-dance. You get your face on the new product, but right now we have more junk to figure out. Now, let’s see… my neighbor drives a Mercedes (not a good color though) and my uncle has a Beemer. I think “F” may be available with his… Oh, sh*t that’s right, he was borrowing one that was parked in the driveway across town. There’s something for you, use that house in your ads. Got to be worth a couple million anyway. Gee, hope the damn cops don’t ticket my beat up Ford truck cause I took out a couple guardrails on the way here today and now I only have one headlight. Speaking of headlights… come ‘ere honey, want to get your face on our next big marketing campaign?

    X: Well, I have to have all the swipe files for all those launches so I can send more crap to my huge lists that are mostly fake. I have 250 fake aliases and IP addresses to send from so it will look like a bazillion people are promoting them to make them a hot product in CB. You buy from my aliases and I will buy from yours, then we can also buy from our own aliases driving that gravity through the roof so the suckers hop on board to make the real sales for us. Don’t forget to get the rest of the cartel in on this, too.

    Y: You got it man. I gotta go, see you at the party later. Didn’t realize it was almost noon. See ya.

    X: Yeah, see ya. Gotta get home before the wife catches me in here. She’s still mad at me cause we are living in my mom and dad’s basement.

    Back to the list:

    3: I do not want my name associated to anything remotely like any of this. I guess that is the best reason I could possibly have.

    The ball is now in everyone’s court. I think I am going to go make this into a newsletter/article and send it out to warn others. Count on some backlinking from me Gary as this is to important to just let lay their waiting for others to sweep up.

    Thanks for speaking out.

    Mary Coon


  20. Ken Harthun

    Thanks, Gary, for another excellent set of observations on the state of IM. I couldn’t agree with you more. Mary, an excellent rant!

    I disagree with a total boycott of CB. For one thing, it won’t work; for another, there are many honest marketers with products there in other niches besides “make money online” and those people would be harmed without cause. There are also many honest marketers in the MMO niche who have excellent products.

    This is a very hot subject that we honest marketers tend to get very passionate about. The real solution is to just continue to call the Zombies, Vampires, and Shape-shifters out and expose their lies. We have already started that idea in motion and as you know, there is one thing that cannot be stopped by anyone: an idea.

    Let’s keep this one going.

    Ken Harthun
    The Internet Marketing Geek

  21. James


    I’d like to expand on one of your thoughts you had mentioned:
    “True! And that is the EXACT premise behind most of these so-called “big launches.”…
    I also feel these launches are based on the shoddy products you mentioned, but more to have people grab the 95 upsells they’ll be getting hit with and even more so to grow their list and sell, as Jeremy Kelsall called them, their Skype buddy’s “1982 Ford Pinto”.
    I am fully willing to support anyone who makes a watch dog site before I have to take the time and do it myself ;-) Wait, why don’t I make a motion to nominate Gary? All those in favor…….. I! Seriously though Gary, get going on it and I’ll help you anyway I can!
    That product directly relates to “Russ’ Story” on my easyaffiliatemarketing blog and I’ve had it with those programs.

  22. Gary

    @ Bill – LOL! I do watch a lot of movies, in fact. Lately, watching what is going on in IM is like watching horror movies all day long. “Shape-shifter” just seemed so appropriate since I had already categorized the Vampire and Zombie sects of IM.

    I really don’t want organizations like the FTC involved. They will just apply the blanket to everybody and the crooks will just work around them. Then the blanket gets bigger and bigger and bigger until EVERYTHING is illegal – even for the good people. That is how governments work. And when everybody is then technically breaking the law they fine people. That is why all these morons need to be stopped.

    Standing tall on integrity is an excellent way to operate. Thanks Bill.


  23. Gary

    @ Mary – WHEW! Yep. I actually went to CB yesterday and did a gravity check and your observations above are SPOT ON. What you just said was precisely what I thought when I went through the top 10. CB is indeed part of the problem because they allow so much of this GARBAGE to be “approved.” They must just “look the other way” when they know certain “marketers” have their usual junk to offer. Greed rules everything. After all these years Gordon Gecko is still right.

    Great comments Mary.


  24. Karen

    Hey Gary,

    Well said, this is terrible, especially for the newbies they don’t know which way to turn, thank you so much for speaking out and letting us know, and thank you for being the compassionate mentor that you are.


  25. Gary

    @ James – I really don’t have time to do it. I prefer to create products that help people. that’s my niche. I just get so fed up sometimes that I need to vent. But I’ll support anyone who wants to do such a thing. I think Andrew hansen’s blog is going down that line. He HATES all this deception and lying too. So, there are a LOT of people who are SICK TO DEATH OF DECEPTION.

    Very sarcastically, I just commented on one of the many Skype channels that I am in that Lying 101 is the FIRST lesson of Internet Marketing. Sadly, that is pretty much the truth.


  26. Gary

    ~~~APOLOGY ~~~

    Sorry to some people – your posts got caught up in my spam folder. I didn’t know they were there but I have rooted them all out now.

    I’ll get to replying to you guys ASAP.


  27. Simon Dodd

    Hey Gary,

    Good to see you back here, great post as usual! I really hope things can be cleaned up this year, I know some people like yourself are working hard to at least name and shame these guys and I have heard talk that clickbank are looking at how they can help as well so maybe we can clean it up together before the need of an FTC hammer!

    Maybe we can flood the market with high quality products so the cr*p gets buried!!

    Thanks again


  28. Peter Davies

    Hi Garry,

    Great post as ever – I came across that stripper thing as well, not that I purchase anything unless it fits into my own strategy.

    These people are of the same category as the low life time share sellers we encounter in spain and the canary islands on our holidays.

    This could be elimated by 2 simple things.

    1. People latch onto the decent marketers who tell you as it is and ALWAYS do their homework before purchasing anything.
    2. CLICKBANK needs to become more vigilant in vetting any product that they process – something that would take probably no more than half an hour to simply check that any product does what it says in the sales literature.

    So OVER TO YOU CLICKBANK, what are you going to do about this?

  29. Denis

    Hi Gary:

    Sorry to crash your party, but like a moth to the flame (or newb to the latest product launch)…You know I just can’t resist.

    Sleazy Internet Marketers, my favorite topic…

    Is it just a coincidence that guru rhymes with screw you?

    Did you know that PLR really stands for pretty lousy reading!

    Anyway, what I find most interesting/hilarious is that everyone loves to grumble/mumble/rumble about the fact of the amount of slime in IM, but then stay in it (I’m talking about marketing info to marketers and not products to an end retail customer). Folks spend way too much time trying to right the wrongs of IM. That’s not your job.

    Here’s the steps you should take concerning all the trash…Look-Chuckle-Delete-Repeat-Forget-Move On-Make Money. Don’t waste your time on garbage that isn’t productive. How will “tilting at windmills” help to make you money? People KNOW what IM is like, so why does it shock ‘em when a truly smelly hunk of crap gets stuck in the toilet bowl and won’t flush down? Then everyone just stands around profusely pontificating pertaining to the prevalent putrid problems and complains about how bad it stinks.

    This is IM – A newbie munching, credit card crunching, gut punching business. Welcome- Why are you (“You” in the general sense and does not personally mean you, Gary. You’re one of the good guys) here? You really, really need to ask yourselves EXACTLY why you’re in IM and what you hope to accomplish. If all you do is solicit newbies to sell IM Info crap to other newbies, then you’re part of the problem, not part of the solution. It’s the IM Ponzi scheme. As long as there’s someone below you to sell to, it all works. But the question is – Are you really providing any real VALUE to your customer? Don’t BS yourself or anyone else. Does IM need-you? Or are you just one more mighty mini guru leading the newbie-lemmings over the edge?

    People also complain about the number of emails they get – Just unsubscribe or block all but your most trusted three or four. Everyone is so afraid that they’ll miss the next coming of “The Greatest Product Ever Sold”. You won’t miss anything. There’s nothing so innovative that you’ll truly miss out on the latest and greatest. If you have to, visit the WF every few days and look through the product reviews-you’ll get a good sense of what’s out there. Then you’ll be able to focus on what you really need to do.

    Whoops, Gotta sign off. Lost track of time. To Be Continued…(perhaps)…

    I’ll end here, so you’ll all have time to get out your rope, pitchforks and torches and come find me…(HINT: I’m in the tower).


    For transparency purposes: I began in the IM Info field (like everybody else) and have since moved to niche product marketing.

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