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August 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I do agree that the money is in the list, but I am sure to offer my subscribers plenty of free, valuable content. I sincerely desire to see them succeed. I am on about 50 internet marketers’ lists. A few of them send free content, however most (about 80%) send nothing but product offers.
August 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Doesn’t it make more sense to stay on a list for a while to see what else may be on offer? …
No, it doesn’t. IMHO, here’s why;
1) My time is valueable. Time is the only commodity you can’t re-earn once you spend it. If the first email (or ebook or whatever) is crap, I don’t need to waste any time expecting the next to be different. Note that being “crap” is different than “good, but not applicable to me.” If someone produces what I recognize as quality, that’s different.
2) We learn from and emulate what we are exposed to. If someone sounds smarmy, pushy, hyped up or like a used car salesman, I don’t ever want to sound like that, and I don’t want that crap in my head.
It’s like what I say on my site — on the Internet, you seldom get a second chance to make a good first impression. We generally get one shot. That’s it.
Incidentally, if I download a free ebook and unsubscribe immediately, odds are I didn’t read past a couple of pages in the ebook, either. It’s not like I “kept” the freebie and unsubscribed. If the “freebie” is crap, I’m off the list and the freebie is in the trash, unread.
Often, I also unsubscribe from the list of the person who recommended the crap.
A lot of people would find success faster if they’d spend more time “doing” than “reading about doing.”
August 30th, 2009 at 6:11 am
@ Scott – I KNOW what you mean. I also know that many marketers have many lists. You may be on some “burn-out” lists like I mentioned above. Those lists just get relentlessly pounded. I never want to treat anybody like that.
@ Linda – I think we are singing from alternate pages of the same hymn book.
However, I’m always prepared to hang in and give somebody a chance. I look for “patterns” of behaviour. I can handle an abberation. If somebody starts to display a ME, ME, ME attitude with gimme, gimme, gimme on the agenda then I don’t hack that. I’m gone too.
Yep, most people are one-shotters. I’m not, like I said above. But if somebody really irritates me or irks me well, I can be a half-shotter. I won’t tolerate rude or aggressive people at all. I see enough of that sh*t in everyday life. I don’t need it being forced on me by my own choice on the Internet.
Yeah, I know what you mean about JUNK e-books. A huge percentage are just that – JUNK! Mostly because people try to copy instead of being original – it’s just SO easy to copy and it is SO easy to see. Well, I can see it anyway. The hints are all in the words and the arrangement of them.
Indeed they would!
Thanks for taking the time to come here and read and comment Scott & Linda.
Gary
August 31st, 2009 at 12:40 am
Hi Gary
Email lists – it’s so easy to subscribe and then not to read half of what you download.
I know that I have done it – I think that some information looks good, something else takes over (mealtimes, mum’s taxi, work) and then I forget what I have downloaded. I keep promisining myself that I will keep a record of what I download but I work between different computers so would need two lists – but I could do that so I mustn’t make excuses.
I have unsubscribed from some lists, especially where I have been drawn in under false pretences. One recently that I thought seemed legitimate, turned out to be a scam and I have accumulated loads of spam since then. When I spoke to them and asked them if they gave out email addresses to others, I did not get a clear answer so I’m fairly certain it was from there. Sometimes I now get more spam than proper emails – ugh!
My biggest problem is the time it takes to go through the emails, though I am getting better at it. The trouble is I often put them into folders to read later and then don’t do it, even when I know that some of it would be useful to read (same problem as above). But then if I don’t read it now, I guess I’m not missing anything!
I’ve actually had to limit the time I am spending on the computer as I am finding other things such as keeping the rest of my home, family, life and work was getting behind. I’ve done quite well, but still have a way to go.
We just need to be honest with ourselves. Do we need this information? Will we use it? Or have we moved on to something else and so can unsubscribe to make better use of our time. We all need to make that judgement for ourselves.
As for my own list? Well that’s another matter entirely…
Hilary
August 31st, 2009 at 1:27 am
@ Hils – Yep. I’ve done that – subscribed to something, downloaded it, then got sidetracked by something else and then completely forgotten about the darn thing. There is just so much “NOISE” going on all the time.
Heck, I get 100′s of emails every day. I delete the ones I don’t want – spam, fraud and time-waster stuff and then I put little red flags next to the ones I want to read or reply to. The only problem is… I end up with 100′s of red flags right down my inbox. I can’t keep up with it.
I too believe that email addresses get shared around despite all the “we hate spam as much as you do” stuff that ASSURE us that they will not get revealed to any third parties. Baloney!
There is so much CON-ARTISTRY that goes on over the Internet. It’s a scam artist’s playground!
As usual Caveat Emptor: This whole thing reminds me of that Pink song: “This used to be a fun house, but now it’s full of evil clowns.”
Thanks for your comments Hilary.
Gary
August 31st, 2009 at 2:42 am
Hi Gary,
Whether to opt in and opt out is a very good question. Right now I’m thinking more of opting out.
What i mean is that some marketers just don’t know what moderation is. Like you mention in your post I get the same thing from some of them. Email several times a day from one marketer is harassment.
For now I just don’t read their stuff anymore and I don’t really want to shut somebody out. But i may have start doing it.
And on top of it, as I mentioned on somebody else’s blog, there are marketers that when I do buy from them they instead of sending me a thank you e-mail keep sending me the same offer as if I haven’t already bought and keep reminding me what I’m missing.
That is pathetic isn’t it?
I enjoyed your video under the lion in Las Vegas but I’d need a speed reading course university to be able to read what the lion was saying. It disappeared too fast.
Vance.
August 31st, 2009 at 4:59 am
Thanks Vance – that was the point I was making. There is definitely abuse on both sides of the equation – ie people taking advantage of others. It’s sad, but it happens.
And with the way the economy is behaving in so many countries the wolves are becoming more and more desperate for a feed.
Thanks for coming over.
Gary
August 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am
Alright Gary even with this post yet again you are scaring me.
Blimey you write good posts mate very intelligent stuff. You know I have got around 250 people in my list with 40 unsubscribed.
I am only learning and have not even sent many messages out, maybe about 10 in total since I started building my list.
But I have already had a couple of rude comments and I have apparantly sent out to many messages, and I only been offering free stuff.
I dont like rude people im not rude myself but I have to develop a thick skin for this business.
well speak soon M.O.M
Marcus
September 1st, 2009 at 5:30 am
Gary,
I know that when i opt-in that I am usually starting a snowball down a long slope to gain sped and get bigger and bigger. One trick I have used to control this is to create an email account which I use only when I opt-in for an offer. I go to this account when I am expecting a confirmation and then once a day I scan the list of senders opening only those whom I have come to respect and whose offers I am willing to view based upon having received helpful information from them in the past. I then blanket delete this account periodically with the majority of it’s contents being unrequested and therefore unopened. This has worked for me and takes only a few minutes to manage.
I am not offended by receiving all of the emails. I know how the system works and have the choice not to participate. In fact I feel the more offers I receive the more likely I will be to uncover something which might be helpful. My answer has been to develop a system that lets me manage the beast rather than to be at its mercy.
Concerning refund requests, i have made a few when i have felt that the product has not met my expectations. Since the product cannot be returned as in a traditional purchase, I feel that when one requests a refund that you have the obligation not to continue to use the product.
Nothing new or earth shattering here just my approach to the opt-in opt-out, refund request scene
Ken
September 1st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I use a similar approach as Ken. I have a ghost ID set up with my RoboForm that I use to (initially) subscribe with. After getting a few incomings from the source, and the info proves useful, I then unsubscribe the ghost account and subscribe with my SWIPE file account.
A technique I use to help me track TRENDS in the IM space is to scan the headlines of the handful of LISTS I am on to see what these major guys are pushing out to their list. For example, one guy I’ve been tracking for awhile is Marlon Sanders. He’s kinds like Alex Jeffrey, in that he’s been around he block, knows the ropes and does things right.
I track Belcher, Kern, Comm and 1/2 dozen others. Just reading their headlines gives me a little insight into what the Pros are doing.
I do the same thing with the RRS feeds from 1/2 dozen lively blogs. I can quickly scan the headlines and get a feel for current and emerging trends from these PR 5+ blogs. But you’re right Gary, there’s plenty of wolves out there eager to feed on the “fresh meat”. I’ve been eaten a few times myself
Neil
September 7th, 2009 at 9:55 am
@ Marcus – well… WELCOME to Internet marketing Marcus! What you have to realise is that the world is made up of many diverse people. Some are nice, some are touchy, some are precious, some are arrogant, some are moody, some are complete assh*les, some are murderers, some are pedophiles etc etc. Same with people who opt-in/opt-out of subscriber lists.
Not everybody plays by the same rulebook as you.
@ Ken – all good valid points there. I can’t really disagree with anything you wrote. It all boils down to reasonability. If people are reasonable then that’s OK. If they are UNreasonable then we can take steps to deflect or ignore them. Good comments Ken.
@ Neil – Hey. Good technique – kinda like giving them a trial run – LOL!
One thing you said amused me – Marlon Sanders. He’s the dude in the bright Hawaaian shirts, isn’t he? I distinctly remember him saying in a video “Twitter is the DUMBEST idea ever invented.” And he went on a huge rant about it. Come to think of it, I think I said something similar in a blog post – something about Twitter being a dopey idea. I wonder if Marlon Sanders has changed his mind… I did. LOL!
Thanks for you valuable input here guys!
Gary
PS: Sorry about the delay in responding fellas. This post got overtaken by something more urgent – the copyright theft post (ie the next one on my blog here.)